@aslmx @xmpp

I'm not in the protocol details, but as a lay person, I'ld:

1. Make sure to use a globally unique message id. Messages can have different ids, but there is one assigned by the server (MAM id?), that is the same across clients.

2. Assign a PEP node for pinning and either have one item with the list of ids (of the pinned messages) or, alternatively, have one item per pinned message id. No idea, what is better.

If there is a problem in #XMPP, the solution is #PEP/#PubSub. Always.

👀

#xmpp #movim #space #feature #discord #leaveDiscord

https://github.com/movim/movim/pull/1520

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@aslmx

I agree.

It needs, however, a #XEP, so that a message I pin at my work PC on #Dino is also pinned when I'm at my home PC on #Gajim.

@xmpp

#Jabber #XMPP #conversations_im

Signal recently implemented and launched Pinning of messages

https://signal.org/blog/pinned-messages/

I really think it is a useful feature and have been using it in Mattermost and Slack for many years.

I hope #xmpp clients like #dino #gajim and #conversations_im will follow with a similar feature, maybe even making it possible to sync such message pins across clients.

Of all chat systems still in existence, only #Zephyr, #IRC, and #SMS are older than #Jabber/#XMPP:

https://mov.im/blog/debacle/76bf90a4-5f59-4962-92db-6cd859f42ec9

Not sure, if "write" and "wall" do count 🙂

Beberapa hari kepikiran kenapa gak ada yang bikin alternatif Discord/Slack tapi berbasis XMPP alih-alih bikin protokol sendiri.

Ternyata ada, cuma saya yang gak tahu 😌

https://prose.org/

#xmpp #discord #slack

@kattascha

Privat bestelle ich zwar nie etwas zu essen, aber für den #Berlin #XMPP #sprint 2025 haben wir das Mittagessen für alle in einem Restaurant bestellt.
Die haben das mit dem #Taxi gebracht! Es war für sie immer noch billiger so als die #Wegelagerergebühr der #Digitalfeudalismus-Plattformen! Ich war sehr überrascht.
Praktisch: So konnten wir problemlos #datenschutzfreundlich mit #Bargeld bezahlen!

Does anyone know of an XMPP echo bot address I can have a conversation with, to test my newly installed #prosody instance?

#xmpp #jabber

Quer testar o #fluux #xmpp #messenger da @ProcessOne @ejabberd ?

https://fluux.xmpp.eco.br/

Liberado para qualquer dominio. Incluso o do lemmy.eco.br e da galera que usa nossos serviços!

@xmpp

It’s the little things.

https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4531

#ejabberd #conversations #xmpp

@0x7700e6 you asked for it, we did it!

Movim can now stream your tab or desktop audio when doing a video call ✨

We also improved the layout to clarify when someone is streaming with a [Live 🔴] status and the current resolution of the streamed video.

A little note: audio sharing is not available on all the browser and OS, checkout the compatibility tab there: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Screen_Capture_API/Using_Screen_Capture#browser_compatibility

One of the many #Discord features that is now available on Movim and in the #XMPP ecosystem 💪😸

You want to help us in this awesome journey? Support us on our Patreon 🤗: https://www.patreon.com/posts/bye-bye-discord-150553921

Getting back to work, see you 👀!

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A screenshot of the Movim visio UI

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The original tweet asking for the feature

Après cette semaine j'ai quand-même envie de refaire un point sur les solutions alternatives à #Discord et où elles en sont selon moi :

• #StoatChat c'est bébé Discord, même UX, l'interface est un copié collé. Et raisonnablement je pense que tout le monde va aller là dessus comme tout le monde est parti de Twitter pour aller sur Bluesky. Et le problème ben... C'est que c'est bébé Discord, l'hébergement en open source n'est qu'un afterthought, c'est donc très centralisé et j'ai pas trop confiance dans le fait que ça soit pérenne en terme de techno libératrice.
• #Mattermost, #Zulip et similaires, c'est très bon en terme d'UX quand on vient de Discord même si l'aspect est sûrement trop corporate, J'pense que c'est la meilleure solution pour migrer immédiatement. Le problème étant que c'est décentralisé mais pas fédéré donc la charge technique et financière tombe sur les organisataires de communauté qui vont devoir chacun trouver et payer un hébergeur avec un tarif dépendant de la taille de leur communauté (ou se regrouper pour mutualiser ça mais ça fait aussi une charge organisationnelle en plus) et côté utilisataires on va se retrouver à potentiellement faire autant de comptes que de communautés qu'on rejoint sans que les applications tiennent compte de cet usage (elles sont faites pour être inscrit sur deux ou trois instances, pas 36) donc ça va être relou aussi.
• #Matrix c'est de la merde. C'est décentralisé et fédéré mais le réseau s'effondre dès que le gros serveur ramouille, en terme d'UX c'est le désastre, les applis sont mal fichues, affichent partout des messages incompréhensibles ou inutiles, rament de ouf, on nous parle de chiffrement à toutes les sauces (en termes obscurs) mais il y a plein de bugs bizarres et des problèmes de synchronisation entre clients et entre serveurs. Et l'implémentation des espaces (l'équivalent des "serveurs" Discord) a été faite par des gens qui ont pas compris à quoi ça servait.
• #XMPP c'est pas prêt. Ça a vingt ans et il y a un gros héritage du passé, l'UX est aux fraises, il y a des bizarreries à tous les coins de rue, les applications ont toutes les options de la terre et des paramètres par défaut aberrants. Mais c'est décentralisé, fédéré, il y a plein d'hebergeurs, ça peut absorber des afflux d'utilisataires sans broncher et sans faire tomber les serveurs des copains. S'il vous plaît les gens qui font de l'UX, allez voir les gens qui développent XMPP et s'il vous plaît, par pitié, les gens qui développent, écoutez les. XMPP le protocole c'est le turfu depuis plus de 20 ans, XMPP les clients c'est le passé depuis toujours, faut vraiment faire quelque chose même si ça semble aller dans la bonne direction. Faudrait sûrement aller petitionner les gens qui font #StoatChat pour qu'iels transforment leur truc en client XMPP en vrai. Là on pourrait dire go.

Et je vais essayer d'arrêter mon hyperfixation de la semaine sur ce sujet parce que je me fatigue, probablement je vous fatigue aussi et je pense que si je continuais là dessus ça serait juste redondant.

anybody have any xmpp public server recommendations?

#xmpp

If you're interested in setting up a secure chat service for you and your friends, you might want to try @snikket_im

🌱 https://snikket.org

It's really cheap to run and easy to set up, it's managed hosting so you don't need to do techy stuff.

Technical details: it runs on XMPP with OMEMO end-to-end encryption, but this is hidden behind non-technical branding so it doesn't scare people.

Instances are federated, Snikket and other types of XMPP instance can communicate.

#XMPP #OMEMO #E2EE

Started diving into XMPP today. I set up prosody and got it working with a few extra modules and components enabled, too. The Conversations client for android seems pretty nice, so I might keep adding features on the server as long as Conversations supports them.

#XMPP

@autistic_writer

Relevant hash tags: #Jabber #Movim #Quicksy #Snikket #XMPP — federated chat since 1999.

Uh, uh, uwu!

The guide I’ve been working on all week just went online!

It’s meant to help folks using the new invite feature.

https://joinjabber.org/tutorials/service/great_invitations/

You’re admin of an XMPP server and you (just) enabled mod_invites? Then this is for you! Share that link with your users so they can spread the fun!

#xmpp #greatInvitations #nlnet #ejabberd #prosody

Hey #xmpp and #jabber experts on Mastodon: my XMPP server is im.interfree.ca, and so my JID is fastfinge@im.interfree.ca. However, I would like to alias my JID to fastfinge@interfree.ca. That way my email, jabber, and fediverse id's are all the same. I control the DNS on the entire domain. How can I do this? A quick search isn't finding me a list of clear and straightforward steps.

"22 companies using XMPP and ejabberd to build instant messaging services"
Interesting to see how #XMPP, which tends to be seen as barely used, remains the go-to solution in the industry (which unfortunately locks it in a closed environment).
https://www.rst.software/blog/22-companies-using-xmpp-and-ejabberd-to-build-instant-messaging-services

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Graph listing 22 companies that use XMPP protocol and ejabberd servers to power their chat services. This includes Facebook, WhatsApp, Nintendo, Grindr, Zoom, Kik.

Joined back to Matrix to see what had improved. I would say it's still a bit buggy and slow, but overall I feel it became more mature. And then I was curious to check various github repositories related to Matrix development and... Wow. The other competitors, like #deltachat or #xmpp will not be able to compete with that speed of development. I bet that in the next couple of years Matrix will become a dominant messaging platform, at least among other #decentralized options.

#XMPP in a nutshell :

• Tu te demandes si tu peux faire tel truc
• On te répond que bien sûr tu peux le faire, c'est comme ça et comme ça
• Tu fais comme ça et comme ça, ton client mobile plante
• Tu essayes sur ton client de bureau, il plante pas, mais il enregistre quand même pas ce que t'as fait
• Tu demandes de l'aide
• On te dit que c'est peut-être ton serveur qui est pas compatible
• Les infos que tu trouves dans la documentation de la spec semblent indiquer que c'est une feature de base
• Tu vas demander sur le canal de support de ton client mobile, qui est aussi le fournisseur de ton compte et donc le mainteneur de ton serveur
• Les gens connaissent pas cette feature
• Tu expliques comment tu as fait
• On te dit que peut-être c'est le logiciel utilisé par le serveur qui supporte pas cette feature

J'ai envie d'y croire hein, je vous jure. Ce serait n'importe quel autre écosystème jamais j'aurai été lire la spec pour essayer de comprendre ce qui va pas. Mais franchement c'est pas sérieux.

Looking for an advice from #xmpp #ejabberd admins.

I have 3 Locations, that I can self-host there:
2 x Rpi 5 and 1 x x86_64

At the moment the service is running on lets say Location_1 that has SRV Prio 3.

There are total of 6 SRV records for domain.net
(3 for 5223 and 3 for 5270) each of them with different priorities - 3, 4, 5.

I am using PgSQL, and doing dumps every hour on the currently running Ejabberd. Then scp immediately the dump to the other 2 locations.

The idea is that I want to use the other locations for DR. When for example there is no Internet on the Primary Location_1 for hours.

What is the best approach to achieve this?

At the moment what I am doing:
Restore the latest available dump, then start Ejabberd. Clients will begin to connect to the this new Location_2

Hey @snikket_im
since web search is broken anyway and I got next message in #xmpp app

"OMEMO: Device 12312312313123123 is now inactive, because it is no longer advertised by your contact"

Could you please point based on your opinion the best xmpp docs/discussion

thank you

RE: https://piaille.fr/@movim/116057396961202427

N'hésitez pas à migrer de #Discord à #Movim ! Nous offrons un serveur gratuit sur https://chat.gayfr.online

Contactez-moi pour vous inscrire, ou suivez le compte @xmpp_bot pour créer votre compte #XMPP en un clic, avec lequel vous pourrez ensuite vous connecter sur Movim.

Debacle boosted

Movim » 🌐 2026-02-12
@movim@piaille.fr

Today we are launching our very first campaign to help you to migrate from Discord to Movim ✨

We already worked on some new exciting features regarding audio and video calls (that will be announced soon) and more are coming in the upcoming weeks 👀

If you want to help us free more time and support us for all the work done on Movim a Supporter tier was on Patreon for the price of a Discord Nitro subscription, 3€/month 😸

Stay tuned and spread the good news around 📢

The Movim Patreon page
https://www.patreon.com/movim

Our little blogpost about the campaign https://mov.im/community/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/bye-bye-discord-hello-movim-FunzTy

#xmpp #movim #discord

Nginx is to HTTP servers what X is to XMPP servers. Can you help me find the value of X?

#AskFedi #xmpp #xmppserver
/cc @kyva

@eliocamp #xmpp just works

Today we are launching our very first campaign to help you to migrate from Discord to Movim ✨

We already worked on some new exciting features regarding audio and video calls (that will be announced soon) and more are coming in the upcoming weeks 👀

If you want to help us free more time and support us for all the work done on Movim a Supporter tier was on Patreon for the price of a Discord Nitro subscription, 3€/month 😸

Stay tuned and spread the good news around 📢

The Movim Patreon page
https://www.patreon.com/movim

Our little blogpost about the campaign https://mov.im/community/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/bye-bye-discord-hello-movim-FunzTy

#xmpp #movim #discord

@openess Having used both, at the end of the day it comes down to your personal experience and what you are able to migrate your family to.
At some point I stayed on #matrix, but there is no specific reason why I would not use #xmpp again

Why don't you just try running it in parallel to you current matrix server and give it a try.

From what I read here, experience varies wildly.

A super nice talk about XMPP (and Movim!) made by @alex ✨

If you wan't to learn quickly what XMPP is about and why you should try it out (if its not already done 👀) just check it out!

#xmpp #talk #presentation #movim #jabber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GurbaZzwYvU

I want to break a local community free from Signal, and I've been thinking about XMPP. In reading some analyses I found this gem:

https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

I stopped using Signal because I just don't trust it. Why so many updates with no explanations? Is it so unstable and insecure that it needs them? Also, check out search results for running your own Signal server. Technically it's free software, but practically, good luck.

So I guess I need to figure out persistence and E2EE for XMPP, and land on a server and clients. I'm inclined towards ejabberd, because Erlang!

I'd welcome thoughts.

#xmpp #jabber #signal #matrix

New version of ejabberd is out (26.02). Wrt to `mod_invites` it contains a whole bunch of accessibility improvements for the landing page. Feedback more than welcome!

https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/releases/tag/26.02

#ejabberd #xmpp #greatInvitations #nlnet

Dites, dans la batterie d'outils de discussion qu'on voit passer là (#Matrix #XMPP #Signal etc.), lesquels sont à la fois sur ordinateurs et mobiles mais sans m'obliger à forcément passer sur le mobile (genre j'installe sur mon ordi, je peux setup mon compte sur l'ordi sans devoir valider via une app) ?

This is what it feels like in most of the chat discourse when, after carefully listening to the requirements to speak to them, I mention #xmpp as a possibility.

src: https://poorlydrawnlines.com/comic/mad/

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Person wearing a green shirt: I'm mad! Person wearing a blue shirt, holding a folder: Here's a solution. Person in green shirt, igniting the folder: I don't want a solution! Person in green shirt: I want to be mad.

Hell yeah! After years of waiting #FontAwesome added #XMPP in 7.2:

fontawesome.com/icons/xmpp?f=brands&s=solid

#Messenger #Messengerdienste

Nice! The #XMPP logo is now officially part of Font-Awesome. 🎉

https://fontawesome.com/icons/xmpp?f=brands&s=solid

@openess

Both are free and federated, but #XMPP is much older (born as #Jabber in 1999) than Matrix (2014).

XMPP is an IETF standard, all extensions used nowadays are maintained by the independent @xmpp. Not sure about Matrix.

Both have multiple servers and clients. Both can be self-hosted, for both hosting services do exist. Both use very similar encryption schemes, derived from Signal.

Can't comment on Matrix, but I forced my non-tech friends and family to use Jabber.

(1/2)

Techie question..

I'm currently on #matrix and have been for a couple of years. I see people talk about #xmpp. Could some one give me a quick rundown of how they compare.

boosts appreciated

I'm interested in comparinsons relating to:
app and platform support
self hosting support
ability to pay someone for hosting
encryption level
general usability for "non techie" family and friends
community/political drama
comunication types supported (text/voip/sending files, and so on)

Pourquoi j’ai choisi d’offrir le service XMPP plutôt que Matrix (article en anglais).

D’autres avis ?

https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/

Contactez-moi si un compte XMPP vous intéresse.

Ou inscrivez-vous automatiquement en suivant le compte @xmpp_bot

#XMPP #Matrix

Came across this recently: https://voxelmanip.se/2025/06/25/setting-up-an-xmpp-server-with-prosody/

Might be of use to some folk this month.

#xmpp

@tapafon @ariadne then I guess the only good option is self-hosted #XMPP+#OMEMO and/or #PGP/MIME!

• Anything else is either a controlled opposition, honeypot, or just flatout marketing lies.

@joeneXtra

I'm not sure, if a poll makes much sense, because it depends on preferences. The feature sets are different, the clients are different etc.

My own use cases are much better fulfilled by #Jabber/#XMPP, but others might prefer Delta or Matrix or Briar or Jami…

What is anno 2026 better for instant messaging? Think about the best combination of user experience/friendliness, privacy and security. I choose these two after researching decentralized Whatsapp/Signal alternatives.

#XMPP #DeltaChat #WhatsApp #Signal #IM #InstantMessaging #poll

WRT #Discord, there's an effectively unsolvable conundrum we can't really face, folks. We'd all like the high moral standards that are found in the #OpenSource community, when done right: nobody screwing each other over for their PII, and other forms of leverage (walled-garden lock-in). Geeks get this, normies don't. (This gulf is very hard to cross, IMHO, without resorting to actual educational curriculum explaining it in schools.)

But then we have conflicting desires: we *also* want the buttery smoothness to a secure messaging ecosystem - total convenience, total functionality, *complete with a level-playing-field, "Net Neutral" infrastructure to run it on*, with no lobbied government or tech-bro interference skewing the traffic rules (QOS Rules). Good luck with that one, without strong gov't control, and solid grassroots lobbying behind it.

Lets be honest: #Signal is so great *because tens of millions of dollars were charitably spent on it*. Moxie didn't do his genius work *for free*. Where are tens of millions of *more* dollars going to come from, to make a Discord alternative? Would that be nowhere? Look, there's no quick and easy answers to Discord enshittifying. I've looked at #XMPP, #Matrix, #Deltachat, #Discourse, #Flarum, #PHPBB, #Zulip, #Mattermost, etc. and *each has its warts*. You'll dislike each of them, for different reasons. Each paints itself into a different corner. *There were no tens of millions of dollars upfront, at an early design phase, overlooked by qualified Computer Scientists, to prevent this, in each and every case.* #IRC doesn't bear mention in this comparison. None is the perfect replacement or answer. *None had those tens of millions of dollars which Signal had.*

Alas, they don't stand a chance to be the all-singing, all-dancing solutions that the techbros can finance, *along with their predictable, rotten lack of a moral compass to accompany the slickness.* Every non-geek teenager will side with the techbros, owing to 1) convenience, and 2) that's where their friends are, *which mean the world to a teenager*.

So in summary, we are doomed by our own psychological limitations, as a demographic. The psychological predators - the techbros - can't help but prey on the normies, and the normies can't help but turn to the predators, who at least offer convenience, if no other thing. And the geeks who have a moral compass stand in the middle, ignored by-and-large, feeling anxious and powerless, not having any tens of millions of dollars behind their altruism.

#infosec

#CassandraSyndrome #actuallyAutistic @autistics

@Tamtam

While #Jabber/#XMPP has not the same #confidentiality as Signal (e.g. more meta data is stored on the server; and current #OMEMO 1 is not as good as, OMEMO 2, which unfortunately is not widely implemented), but it's close enough for me.

The advantages of #federation and #digitalSovereignty outweight those minor problems. YMMV.

Moxie Marlinspikes:"One of the controversial things we did with Signal early on was to build it as an unfederated service. Nothing about any of the protocols we’ve developed requires centralization; it’s entirely possible to build a federated Signal Protocol-based messenger, but I no longer believe that it is possible to build a competitive federated messenger at all."
So after reading this I thought, well, everything that we like about signal can be turned into a federated messenger. Why is nobody doing it?
I gave me at least a little bit of hope that someone or, some group will.
I believe the need for privacy is getting more urgent by the minute.. The situation has changed quite a bit, since that decision at signals was made. We need a signal -quality messenger as part of the fediverse
#Signal #matrix #xmpp #privacy #security #opensource #fediverse

@Wiebke_Worm @stefan @Oldine

#Jabber/#XMPP ist das #Fediverse des #InstantMessaging und das schon seit 1999 🙂

Der #Datenschutz hängt in erster Linie von Deiner Instanz ab und von den Instanzen Deiner Kontakte, ähnlich wie bei #Mastodon und Co.

Aber i.d.R. werden alle #Chat-Nachrichten Ende-zu-Ende verschlüsselt (#OMEMO, das gleiche Verfahren wie bei Signal), sodaß zumindest der Nachrichteninhalt für Server-Admins geheim bleibt. Ob Du verschlüsselst oder nicht, bleibt Dir überlassen.

@Oldine @Wiebke_Worm

Beides jedoch auch zentrale Lösungen. D.h. man hat hier auch eine Abhängigkeit zu einem Unternehmen / Organisation.

Es gibt auch dezentrale Lösungen, ähnlich wie hier und wie man es von E-Mail kennt.

Hier mal ein Beispiel zum einlesen:
https://anoxinon.media/blog/xmpp1/

#XMPP #jabber

@kfdm @swetland

I'm not aware of a single static #Jabber/#XMPP server. Somebody needs to write such a thing!

Both #ejabberd by @ejabberd and #prosody by @prosodyim are pretty easy to install and maintain. Esp. if using distro packages.

If docker is an option, there is #snikket by @snikket_im, a pre-configured prosody.

Maybe check #openfire by @news or #tigase by @tigase? Never tried them.