@Goffi @Theeo123 @daniel @dino @gajim @Monal @tigase

IMHO, both have their right to exist and make sense for #dataHygiene!

Local deletion makes probably most sense on mobile devices, idk.

#Jabber #XMPP

@Theeo123

#JohanaBhuiyan suggests to #autoDelete messages and I agree with her.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/20/how-to-opt-out-location-sharing-smartphones

While this is not a "hard" security measure and might lead to a false sense of security, it is an easy and effective method of #dataHygiene.

I wonder, if any #Jabber clients have this feature?

#Conversations by @daniel, #Dino by @dino, #Gajim by @gajim, #Monal by @Monal, #SiskinIM by @tigase, anyone?

#XMPP

@triskelion

AFAIK, IRC has OTR e2ee since … forever, it's just horrible UX: Only one-to-one, new encryption session only can start while both parties are online, no support for multiple devices. #OMEMO (#Jabber) and OLM (Matrix) are much better in that respect.

@triskelion @signalapp

BS and Signal are both centralised, walled gardens, therefore I dislike them both. (BS can federate in theory, but I never found someone on their own instance.)

Anyway, it's nice, if people have their IRC, #Jabber or Matrix handles in their #fediverse bio. Whatever, as long as it is free and federated 🙂

#digitalSovereignty #XMPP

@vitali64sur @z3ntu

In the very special case of #Quicksy, #XMPP is used with phone number. Don't know about UX with changing phone number, but I guess, it is … complicated.

@daniel: I guess, that new phone number on Quicksy results in an entirely new account, no matter what. Right?

#Jabber

Some #Jabber #XMPP rooms that are relevant to non-technical #Indian users.

The general channel for #India, #Indians, and #indophiles
https://xmpp.link/#india@conference.a3.pm?join

The #OpenStreetMap India community
https://xmpp.link/#osm-in@conference.a3.pm?join

A channel for learning, practicing, and enjoying the #Hindi and #Hindustani #languages.
https://xmpp.link/#hindi@conference.conversations.im?join

#boostswelcome

@noahm

I used to use `write` long time ago. Probably seven, eight years before #Jabber has been invented 🙂

@xmppbrasil @hellbeast

There are two relevant #XEPs touching that:

XEP-0393: Message Styling (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0393.html) is vaguely similar to markdown, but not the same. It is supported by multiple clients.

XEP-0394: Message Markup (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0394.html) seems to be preferred by most developers. In theory, a client could accept "proper markdown" as input and internally convert it to message markup. I'm not sure, but #prose by @prose might do something like that.

#Jabber #XMPP

@neurer

How does it compare to #RFC5870 #geoURI, which is supported e.g. by #Gajim (#Jabber chat client by @gajim)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geo_URI_scheme

@unplugged

Maybe the general encryption setting is not yet released by @dino? I'm running a git snapshot from #Debian experimental, 0.4.4+git20241115.79f792e-1, which already has it.

Anyway, I'm using #Dino on my mobile phone, which I use infrequently, but #Gajim by @gajim on my desktop. Maybe you like that #Jabber client better?

@unplugged @dequbed @bootblackcub @prose

For my use case, I like #Dino not defaulting to #OMEMO #e2ee, because I like the convenience of being able to read old messages on a new client.

It is a by-account setting (☰ ⇒ Preferences ⇒ Encryption ⇒ OMEMO by default) btw.

The indication is pretty clear, IMHO: A open/closed lock on the right side of the text input field.

Maybe @dino can give more usage hints, than I would be able to do 🙂

#Jabber #XMPP

@tennoseremel

Ask @kaidan about #Kaidan 🙂

Or follow their chat room:

xmpp:kaidan@muc.kaidan.im?join

Or their git:

https://invent.kde.org/network/kaidan/-/commits/master?ref_type=heads

#Jabber

@gerowen @daniel

I also give people certain options to contact me: #Jabber, email, postcard, landline phone, Matrix, IRC, #Mastodon, or they can just visit me physically. No other options available.

Btw. both IRC and Matrix I do via #XMPP bridges: #Biboumi and #slidge, resp. But that should not be relevant to most peers.

@Theeo123

There are some fundamental issues with Signal:

1. It contradicts the idea of #digitalSovereignty by forcing a centralised service (#JeffBezos AWS) on users.

2. There is no first class client for free/alternative OSes, i.e. other than Google Android and Apple iOS.

3. Users still need to register with their phone number — bad, if you can't get an anonymous #SIM in your country.

As we are already using the #Fediverse, let's use federated IMs, too!

#Jabber

@ulfi @daniel

That being said, there is a lot of room for improvement, esp. with encryption, but also general usability in most #Jabber clients.

There are practically no #XMPP clients with good #accessibility, e.g. for blind users! (Still, blind friends of mine use #Quicksy.)

@ulfi @daniel

I experienced message loss and duplicated messages with #Jabber a lot. In … 2014! Not anymore.

Only with #slidge Matrix bridge I see duplicates. Probably a bug in #matridge.

I still experience #OMEMO problems, but only because I'm a geek and use a lot of clients, incl. experimental versions etc.

Bad clients or bad s2s are unavoidable in a free and federated system. Just recommend good clients and good servers!

#digitalSovereignty #digitalEmpowerment #UseJabberDoCrime #XMPP

@aks @kris

I use #slidge by @nicoco as bridge between #XMPP and Matrix. Works pretty well!

But I never tried with encryption, because I use Matrix only for public rooms anyway.

#Jabber

@maple @Menel @Monal @sbb

You can find #Jabber rooms at https://search.jabber.network/ With a typical #XMPP web client, you can enter any of them. (IIRC, IRC is not really federated?)

I use IRC, but only via an XMPP gateway (#biboumi), i.e. with the #Gajim client.

monocles chat version 1.7.11 is finally out on Playstore ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.monocles.chat ) and on F-Droid ( https://f-droid.org/packages/de.monocles.chat/ ) . Enjoy the new animated inline stickers, the WebXDC "store" to use little in-app widgets or games and many improvements and fixes! 🤩 🎉

#monocles #monocleschat #fdroid #android #xmpp #jabber #privacy #security

Have you used Jabber / XMPP before?

#jabber #xmpp

This took a while but we have updated our Code of Conduct and our Mediation document to provider more safety in our spaces.

Among others the CoC now specifies explicitly marginalized people, intersectional feminism and harassing/stalking. It also mentions permacomputing and consent as a way we approach computing.

The mediation document has a defined procedure now and also contact points for people wanting to report things.

https://joinjabber.org/about/community/codeofconduct/
https://joinjabber.org/about/community/mediation/

#xmpp #jabber #CoC

Agora você pode ter uma conta #xampu.net cadastrando diretamente por qualquer app compativel ou no nosso site: https://xmpp.eco.br/#registro

Aproveite! É de graça <3

@xmpp

#jabber #XMPPBrasil #xmpp

@teledyn @zash How about trying https://snikket.org/ ? It's a preconfigured Prosody server with compatible apps. Also check out our website at: https://joinjabber.org #xmpp #jabber

The #XMPP Newsletter for October 2024 is out!

Read about the latest XMPP universe updates and the latest updates on our #standards!

https://xmpp.org/2024/11/the-xmpp-newsletter-october-2024/

Enjoy reading! 📰 ☕

#jabber #chat #interoperability #rtc
#opensource #decentralization

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@zeank Both will work fine, let us know how it goes: https://invite.joinjabber.org/#servers@joinjabber.org%3Fjoin #xmpp #jabber

Die einen nutzen den Messenger A, die anderen den Messenger B und andere wollen / können Messenger C erst gar nicht installieren.
Dabei kann es eigentlich so einfach sein. Es braucht nur einen offenen Standard ; und diesen gibt es schon.

Wer keine Lust auf eine Textwand hat, kann sich ein sehr gutes kurzes Video ansehen: Was ist XMPP?.
Vielen Dank an Axel für das Video!

Das Video ist vielleicht aus What is the Fediverse? bekannt. Denn das Fediverse, E-Mail, WWW und XMPP haben etwas gemeinsam,...

XMPP steht für Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol. XMPP ist ein offener Standard, wie Mail, HTTP,... und viele andere Internet-Protokolle. XMPP ist auch bekannt als Jabber.
Da wir hier von einem Protokoll sprechen, sind wir erst einmal unabhängig von Anwendungen und Anbietern. Das Protokoll ist die "Sprache" zwischen den Anwendungskomponenten bzw. Prozessen in einem Rechnernetz.

Wie das Video schön erklärt, aber auch auf dem Fediverse oder E-Mail bekannt ist, haben wir nun ganz wesentliche und wichtige Vorteile:

* Wir können unseren eigenen Anbieter wählen oder auch einen eigenen Dienst bereitstellen (Self-Hosting)
* Wir können unsere eigene Software wählen (Client und auch Server) oder selber einen eigenen schreiben
* Wir können auch mit anderen kommunizieren, die nicht den gleichen Anbieter / Anwendung gewählt haben
* Wir können den Dienst bei verschiedenen Anbietern haben (privat, geschäftlich, Verein)

Bei E-Mail, WWW und anderen Diensten ist dies selbstverständlich. Dies ist auch beim Instant Messaging möglich.

Da immer mehr Menschen Instant Messaging nutzen, sollte man wenigsten mal über ein XMPP-Account nachdenken - auch dann, wenn noch die meiste Kommunikation ggf. über eine andere Plattform läuft.

Happy chatting, mit einem offenen Standard und freier Software

#InstantMessaging #Messenger #XMPP #Threema #Signal #Fediverse #Internet #FreieSoftware #Jabber #Bildung #Digitalisierung #SelfHosting