Una pregunta sobre #XMPP

Me descargué hace tiempo #Gajim para tenerlo en el PC, pero hay veces que al intentar abrirlo no se abre, sí hace como el intento pero no se termina de abrir. No sé si hay alguien más que lo utilice y sepa qué puede ser.

También si me recomendáis algún otro cliente para PC (#Windows) que sea fácil de descargar, porque estuve mirando y casi todos me llevan a una página con un montón de links y no sé cuál tengo que descargar ni nada y Gajim fue el que estaba más fácil. 😅​

Gracias de antebrazo

#MastoAyuda

Im Blog-Beitrag vom Debian XMPP Team bekommt ihr dazu einige Informationen.

Was ist XMPP? 🤔

XMPP ist ein Internetstandard für Instant Messaging - ein Protokoll zum chatten und vieles mehr! ☝️

Hier 👇 geht es zum Beitrag:

https://xmpp-team.pages.debian.net/blog/2025/05/xmpp-debian-13-trixie-news.html

Meine persönlichen Highlights sind:

💫 Dino, upgraded from 0.4.2 to 0.5.0
💫 Gajim, upgraded from 1.7.3 to 2.1.1
💫 Profanity, upgraded from 0.13.1 to 0.15.0
💫 Prosŏdy, from 0.12.3 to 13.0.1

Vielen Dank an das Debian XMPP Team und die XMPP Projekte! 🙏 🙏 🙏

Viel Spaß beim chatten.

#Debian #Debian13 #Trixie #XMPP #Jabber #Chat #Messenger #Dino #Gajim #Profanity #Prosody #GNU #Linux

@debacle @stefan @vascorsd @gajim it's not easy to determine the "jurisdiction" of the bug - wether it's #Gajim or #Prosody (or maybe #Monal's unique, intermittent connectivity flakiness to connect to this MUC jumped in there awkwardly somehow?).

Each project will want convincing proof that the bug lies within their jurisdiction, before doing anything. I don't have the spoons to nail down the jurisdiction, which would mean trying to reliably reproduce the bug. The bug appeared only after 3 weeks of inactivity on the part of one laptop. It's hard to reproduce.

I'm grateful for all the hard work of the #XMPP community, but in the meantime, #DeltaChat is right there - one #flatpak install away. New account creation is a finger-snap. So far they've provided a bug-free experience to me, exceeding my expectations. The jury is still out if they can pull off trustworthy group chats. *Not an easy thing to do, when everyone is encrypting in a group chat;* notoriously challenging, and fraught with brittleness. I'll bet that's why your group chats are shrewdly not encrypted, @debacle

If you tile Gajim 2.1.1 and DeltaChat desktop side by side in #Debian, they sure look similar these days, both clearly taking strong design inspiration from #Discord (as they should, as Discord is still sadly the "incumbent", even with its ad-enshittification). BTW: #Element looks like Discord too.

I'm leery of crossing the line into dev territory here - or even software tester/debugger/bug reporter. I'm willing to install and maintain such a system, but it needs to be iron-clad-reliable to earn a lasting place amongst the other respectably reliable things I #SelfHost going forward.

@vascorsd I had something similar to that happen to me recently as well. I'm using a #prosody server, and I have my:

archive_expires_after = "5w"
... set in /etc/prosody/prosody.cfg.lua

Messages should be archived for 5 weeks.

Then messages sent in Gajim on one linux laptop were lost, when a second #Linux laptop who was subscribed to the same group, was turned off (absent from receiving messages) for 3 weeks. 2.75 of the 3 weeks worth of the group messages (where the laptop was turned off) silently never showed up, when #Gajim was re-opened on the second laptop.

This bodes very badly for me recommending XMPP to others. I now consider #DeltaChat to be a secondary choice, should something happen to #Signal (which is currently my privacy-respecting Messaging app goto).

Other clients who chatted in that same group, BTW: the latest stable #Monal in #iPadOS, and #Conversations in #Android

Prosody version is 13.0.0-1~bpo12+1, backend is sqlite, Gajim is 2.1.1. It was a private MUC, and OMEMO was used as much as possible.

#XMPP

@dangoodin Every other desktop messaging app for #Windows would do well to add this, as #Signal has. And if they don't, they compromise the privacy of all those people who took pains to *not* use Windows (who use said messaging apps, and are contacts with these Windows users). Every alternative operating system - #Linux, #MacOS, #iPadOS, #iOS, etc - where you can run these non-Recall-protected messaging apps... they all get dragged into the privacy quagmire which Windows #Recall creates.

Another idea is for these Messaging apps to discontinue Windows support, thereby cutting off the infected, gangrenous limb, with respect to privacy. For example, #Gajim, the #XMPP client for linux, was recently stating they would release a Windows client for 2.2.0. How about just don't, and call it a day, citing Recall being too "radioactive" to privacy to get anywhere near?

I'm curious: Can web browser tabs make a DRM-insisting Recall-blockage, like Signal does? I use WhatsApp Web. How can WhatsApp Web - in a browser tab - do what Signal does here?

Gajim 2.2.0 has been released 🥳

This release brings three new features:
message retraction ↩️ , blocking participants in group chats 🛡️, and updated support for modern group chat avatars 🖼️.

Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim's development: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-05-15-gajim-2.2.0-released/

@oliver

Vielleicht #Monal von @Monal oder #BeagleIM von @tigase?

Oder #Gajim von @gajim? https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/-/wikis/help/Gajim-on-macOS

Gajim 2.1.1 has been released 🥳

This release brings layout improvements to Gajim’s Start Chat dialog, an improved message search, and includes fixes for some issues with Message Displayed Synchronization.

Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim's development: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-04-17-gajim-2.1.1-released/

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Gajim's main window showing the new activity feed

Gajim 2.1.0 has been released 🥳

This release brings an all-new activity feed and adds support for Message Displayed Synchronization across group chats.

Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim's development: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-04-08-gajim-2.1.0-released/

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Gajim's main window showing the new activity feed

Gajim 2.0.4 has been released 🥳

This release brings improvements to Gajim’s Start Chat window and fixes some issues in group chats

Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim's development: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-03-20-gajim-2.0.4-released/

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Gajim 2.0 main window showing a chat

Gajim 2.0.3 has been released 🥳

This release fixes some group chat issues and allows to store individual window sizes.

Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim's development: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-03-15-gajim-2.0.3-released/

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Gajim 2.0 main window showing a chat

Gajim 2.0.2 has been released 🥳

This release updates message moderation in group chats, improves handling of URIs, and fixes some bugs. Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️

Support Gajim: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-03-10-gajim-2.0.2-released/

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Gajim 2.0 main window showing a chat

Gajim 2.0.1 has been released 🎉

This release resolves an issue with Gajim’s preferences window and fixes some bugs. Thank you for all your contributions!

Support Gajim: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-03-03-gajim-2.0.1-released/

Gajim 2.0.0 has been released 🎉

Gajim migrated its user interface toolkit to GTK 4, which brings performance improvements and sets the ground for great features to follow. ⏩

Additionally, this release brings improved image previews, better tools for fighting spam, and much more.

All of these changes were only possible by touching a lot of Gajim’s code base, and we appreciate all the feedback we got from you. ❤️

#gajim #xmpp #chat

https://gajim.org/post/2025-02-28-gajim-2.0.0-released/

Support us: https://liberapay.com/Gajim

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Gajim 2.0.0 main window showing a chat

#XMPP enthusiasts out there: what would you say the ultimate Achilles heel of the XMPP ecosystem is, at present? Fragmentation of clients? What?

My sense is that it's this: when one goes to store an XMPP address in one's addressbook, there doesn't seem to be standard way to store an XMPP address. #Android doesn't have that as an allowable field, and #Thunderbird and #Nextcloud have an "Instant Messaging" field, where the type can be set to "XMPP". But are these two compatible with each other when trying to sync between them? Edit: Yes, but there's a catch: *the XMPP address must be prefixed with "xmpp:"*

So "user@foo.bar" is not an OK XMPP address, but "xmpp:user@foo.bar" is.

Then to make matters worse, now there's a wish to change the labeling of "XMPP Address" to "Chat ID": https://gultsch.social/@daniel/114012904576436518

It might be a long time before the address synchy-ness ever works again between Android <-> #Davx5 <-> Nextcloud <->Thunderbird

Note: Android allows a "Jabber" type for an IM address, where you *don't* prefix the address with "xmpp:".

(#DeltaChat gets to gloat hard here, as they have plain-old email addresses)

#prosody #conversations #gajim #dino #snikket #monocles #monal