@bhyoram XMPP currently doesn't even compete in the team chat game. So yes, despite the many many flaws Matrix has, XMPP is worse in the team chat space.

For WhatsApp replacement / personal chat I much prefer #XMPP though.

@daniel Are you saying you should have wan or are you saying #XMPP is even worse ?

It’s incredibly sad that we’ve lost the open, federated team chat space to #Matrix—where the only viable server isn’t open source, it’s debatable whether the underlying standard is truly open, and the most charitable thing I’ve heard about the UX is that it’s 'OK.'

#XMPP #Jabber

@daniel
The thing is: a network of federating #XMPP servers doesn't accumulate #metadata, it creates a lot of distributed points where the metadata of that point can be intercepted. A little metadata when you only observe the server, a bit more when you control the server. One server is quite easy to analyse. But, because of its distributed nature, observing all of the network is close to impossible.

For a protocol that's often accused of accumulating vast amounts of metadata, it's surprisingly difficult to determine how many people use #XMPP and which clients they prefer.

Are you interested in joining the XMPP Standards Foundation as a member?

Well, now is the right time to do it!

Please apply until February 16th, 2025, 00:00 UTC!

#XSF #XMPP #IETF #Standard #Protocol #Decentralizion #Federation

https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2025

@sandro @v0idness @dcz @conservancy @karen Modern #XMPP clients have message moderation.

I can personally attest that Cheogram, Monocles Chat, Gajim, and Prav have it.

According to https://xmpp.org/software/ so do ConverseJS, Monal, Movim, Poezio, and others.

This XMPP guide makes it easy to find the best of the XMPP world. 🙂
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html

#XMPP Events

Report from XMPP Summit and #FOSDEM

Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:00 CET
#xHain hack+makespace, Grünberger Str. 16, 10243 #Berlin

https://mov.im/community/pubsub.movim.eu/berlin-xmpp-meetup/what-s-on-in-jabber-report-from-xmpp-summit-and-fosdem-iUL4j0

#jabber #chat #interoperability
#opensource #decentralization #standard

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The XMPP Announcment Banner

I’m going to be at the Berlin XMPP Meetup on Wednesday, February 12th, chatting about what happened at the XMPP Summit.

I’ll either be discussing it with friends who were there or, if you want to join us, we’d be happy to share a summary of what’s new in the world of #XMPP!

https://mov.im/community/pubsub.movim.eu/berlin-xmpp-meetup/what-s-on-in-jabber-report-from-xmpp-summit-and-fosdem-iUL4j0

@famfo I looked at the "XMPP Software Comparison" page:
https://xmpp.org/software/software-comparison/
...and put my 4 favorite #XMPP clients in there: #Conversations #Gajim #Dino and #Monal. It compares compatibility across many XEPs.

Alas, when it comes to #OMEMO, no distinction is made as to the version of OMEMO.

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A chart comparing popular XMPP clients

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OMEMO compatibility is just shown as all-compatible

@mostafa228 @delta
> 2. Easiest and cheapest massaging solution to self-host.
💪

How does it compare to something like https://snikket.org/ for #XMPP?

Signal und Threema sind für die meisten die sichersten WhatsApp-Alternativen. XMPP, Matrix und Delta Chat bieten mehr Unabhängigkeit, erfordern jedoch mehr technisches Wissen. Telegram wird oft als sicher angepriesen, ist jedoch ein undurchsichtiger Marketing-Scam, der lediglich den Anschein von Sicherheit erweckt. 👇

https://www.kuketz-blog.de/whatsapp-ade-signal-und-threema-ueberzeugen-als-sichere-alternativen/

#messenger #signal #threema #xmpp #matrix #deltachat #telegram #datenschutz #privacy #sicherheit #security #e2ee

My talk "A Universal and Stable API to Everything: XMPP" is already available online, thanks to FOSDEM staff for their amazing work, and thanks to people who attended or we met at the RT Lounge.

https://video.fosdem.org/2025/k3601/fosdem-2025-5721-a-universal-and-stable-api-to-everything-xmpp.av1.webm

If you have questions, you can ask me here.

#FOSDEM #XMPP #Libervia #RTC #API #scripting #talk

@darrennevares I think "normies" should not be encouraged to move to XMPP yet. It's still very much "geeks only", IMHO, as there's still some inconsistent key XEP support across all the best XMPP clients.

I appreciate how #LinuxMint made a bold bet on #Matrix in all their default installs, and now #Ubuntu is following suit. That will help iron out subtle, lingering problems and footguns Matrix still has, holding it back from mass adoption.

Likewise, if some bigger distros decided to patronize #XMPP, say #Debian (say, including an XMPP client in all default installs, as part of a first-boot "Welcome Center" experience to get support from an XMPP chatroom), that too would eventually help iron out the similar subtle problems and footguns of XMPP.

Some time ago, #Conversations_im started preferring direct TLS on port 5223 for servers without SRV records, falling back to 5222 if necessary.

Here’s what server administrators should do:
· Ensure direct TLS is configured and accessible.
· If using SRV records, prioritize _xmpps-client._tcp by assigning it a lower priority value.

#XMPP #TLS

@daniel the two worst "footguns" I encountered when setting up #Prosody 0.12.3 in #Debian 12 were - you're not going to like this - enabling TLS, not STARTTLS (ruins upload.sampledomain.com capability), and trying to use SRV records (made an honest attempt, couldn't get it to fly).

These "footguns" wasted two brutally unenjoyable days of my life, until I scaled back these progressive wishes.

#XMPP

The #XMPP community should move away from STARTTLS.
· It's slower than direct TLS.
· It adds complexity and increases the attack surface.
· With SNI & ALPN widely deployed and encryption now mandatory, it no longer serves a purpose.

@debacle @janantos @nirro @bojkotiMalbona @daniel @dino@fosstodon.org @Monal @gajim

>Best #Jabber client with A/V calls on #RaspberryPi is probably #Dino by @dino for now

https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=383413

#XMPP

@debacle @janantos @nirro @bojkotiMalbona @daniel @dino @Monal I've heard that the #XMPP client Gajim for #Linux currently does *not* have Audio/Video calls, which will interoperate with these other XMPP clients. Also note: speaking of relevant devices/platforms - no good XMPP client which can do A/V calls for the #RaspberryPi seems to exist.

There's some drama re #GlobalSwitchDay and #fosdem. Where should we be telling #WhatsApp users to switch to?

#matrix or #signal or #xmpp or #SimpleX or somewhere else? I'm not a super geek but I really don't like centralization. Matrix works great for me. it lets me take "live calls" on my podcast/stream. and set up rooms/groups. IDK. It's hard enough to get normies to join us here but especially if we don't agree on where to go. ugh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols

@mcepl @alontra @dansup #XMPP is alive and well. Maybe check out some clients and servers -
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html

And join some communities - https://search.jabber.network/tags/

I'm trying to send a direct message with XMPP Conversations and I get stuck on this screen.

I have never used OMEMO on either this device or this account.

How do I get past this screen (aside from just not using encryption)?

#XMPP #Conversations #OMEMO

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A screenshot from the XMPP client Conversations. The screen says "Trust OMEMO Fingerprints" at the top. The bottom has an unclickable button with the words "fetching keys..."

#XMPP at #FOSDEM 2025

Talk: A Universal and Stable #API to Everything: XMPP

Real Time Communications (#RTC) track, room K.3.601, at 18:25 by Jérôme Poisson (@Goffi)

https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-5721-a-universal-and-stable-api-to-everything-xmpp/

#jabber #chat #interoperability
#opensource #decentralization #standard

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The XMPP Logo

#XMPP at FOSDEM 2025

Find us in K building 2nd floor! nearby the elevator! Yes, we have stickers!

https://xmpp.org/2025/01/xmpp-at-fosdem-2025/

#jabber #chat #interoperability #rtc
#opensource #decentralization #standard

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The XMPP Booth

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XMPP merchandise shirts to support us

@atmuntenas @vor @daniel @MxVerda
I am sorry, but I do not agree, Alexandru. How do you explain to people to switch and switch again. If #XMPP seems to be too complicated for your friends, you can simply tell people to switch to #Quicksy and you will have the same smooth onboarding process but with digital sovereignty.

I'm skipping #FOSDEM this year, but the #XMPP Standards Foundation will be there! Stop by the Realtime Lounge¹ to chat about XMPP, pick up some merch, and maybe grab a #Conversations_im sticker—while supplies last! 🚀

¹: https://xmpp.org/2025/01/xmpp-at-fosdem-2025/#realtime-lounge (K building 2nd floor, beside the elevator)

I don’t usually do this kind of evangelism, but if you’re looking for a reason to try #XMPP on #GlobalSwitchDay, now’s the perfect time: #Conversations_im is currently free on Google Play!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations

@vor @daniel @MxVerda
You don't have to leave Signal to join the federated #XMPP network.

While it might be true that only a few (or maybe none) of your friends actively uses XMPP... Is this a good reason for not making a change?

I've seen people promoting Feburary, 1st 2025 as a #globalswitchday to leave questionable services.

If you are thinking of switching your instant messaging app: Please consider switching to #XMPP to enhance your digital sovereignty.

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A picture with a text on the left side: "Imaging that you can switch your instant messaging app whenever you want to and you can still communicate with each of your contacts in encrypted chats and groupchats. XMPP - The Open Messaging Standard". On the right side there are logos of the XMPP apps Quicksy, Monal, Conversations, Snikket, monocles chat, Gajim, Dino and a text saying "... and many more". The apps are connected via an XMPP logo which shows that all those apps can communication with each other because they are using the same standard. There is an additional text on the right side saying "The apps are ready. Are you ready too?".

❗ News 📣 :
For the global switch day monocles chat will be available for free in the Playstore (01.02. - 07.02.):

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.monocles.chat

Take your chance and switch to the XMPP network

#globalswitchday #XMPP #monocles #monocleschat #messenger #chat #jabber #otr #omemo #pgp #opensource #openpgp #sustainability #e2ee #endtoendencryption #privacy #security

With #XMPP Summit 27 behind us, I can say we have used that time on a constructive discussion about future changes to the XMPP protocol such as improving group chats, push notifications, and much more!

Very productive 2 days!